I remember when I was a child, my grandmother had a special table in her house - a Singer sewing machine. It was wooden on top, and a sewing machine was folded upside down under the tabletop, plus two openwork legs made of cast iron, a wheel on the side and a wide pedal at the bottom... I first learned to sew on just such a machine. It was later that electric units appeared - more compact and modern, and, alas, no one needed such tables.
However, do not rush to throw such a rarity into the trash. A little time and imagination - and old table from under sewing machine can be transformed into quite unusual interior items. Here are some interesting ideas for inspiration.
1. The simplest thing that can come out of the cast iron base of an old sewing machine is an excellent dinner table. The heavy ornate frame will support even a fairly wide tabletop. It's great to gather the whole family at one table and remember what happened before...
2. A modern table for a computer or laptop is also a completely worthy metamorphosis for such a table. The so-called eclecticism. If you use a glass tabletop, then such a table will fit even into a high-tech interior.
3. Just a few touches - and it turned out quite well desk for creative people.
4. Perhaps the most elegant idea is a dressing table. The hinged lid can accommodate a mirror, and drawers store cosmetics and small items.
5. A washbasin made from an old sewing machine in the bathroom or in the country house? Incredible idea! But it is very original.
6. Replacing the countertop instantly changes the shape of an old heirloom. This coffee table It’s simply unrecognizable in the living room!
7. Look how good these openwork legs from a Singer machine look in vintage or shabby chic interiors. I would love to turn my grandmother's old table into a console for a vase of flowers. You just need to replace the countertop and repaint the cast iron legs.
A brief description of the main characteristics of foreign sewing machines from the 50s to the 80s that ended up in our country. As well as a list of old models of Soviet-made sewing machines.
Separately, an overview is given of ancient antique models of Singer-type sewing machines, produced at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th centuries.
This material will be useful to you when buying a used sewing machine.
Vintage antique typewriters from Singer
Almost all models of ancient antique cars produced on a mass scale had not only a standard appearance, but also a similar device. This is due to the fact that the patent for the production of this model sewing machine belonged to the Singer company. And despite different names machines, for example Afrana (photo), all of them were produced in those days only under the Singer license.
These types of sewing machine models have long since exhausted their service life and are of no value as a sewing machine or as a production tool. Only lovers retro style In today's fashionable interior design trend, they may be of interest, and only if they are in such satisfactory condition.
These machines have an outdated shuttle design. It was used in the first releases of sewing machines.
Most often, such rare machines are in a very worn-out condition and many of its components and mechanisms can no longer be repaired.
But, nevertheless, there are copies that still work properly. However, it should be noted that the quality of sewing on these machines is quite low and many modern fabrics do not even need to be tried to be sewn on it.
If you need more information or machine repairs, see Singer Antiques.
Sewing machine from Italian company Borletti
A sewing machine from the Italian company Borletti is a rather rare sewing machine brand for our country, but worthy of attention. Look at the photo, despite the release of this model in 1966, it looks quite modern. In addition, it has an excellent folding table. In addition to the zigzag stitch, there are a number of other types of stitches. The choice of stitch is determined by the installed copier (plastic round inserts). Naturally, the machine has an electric drive, a good reliable pedal and a convenient and strong suitcase for transportation or storage.
Chinese Buterfly Sewing Machine
This model of sewing machine is practically no different from the Podolsk sewing machine. Executes just one line. The main difference is that the tail of the bobbin case is turned to the right.
The first models of sewing machines - Chaika 2
The Chaika sewing machine has not only many models, but also series. This photo shows Chaika - 2, one of the first series of this brand. She only performs two lines - straight and zigzag. There are no curly lines. It is quite inconvenient to perform fastening, since this machine does not have a special reverse lever. However, the Chaika 2 sewing machine is more reliable and better assembled than subsequent series.
Sewing machine Chaika 132
The more modern machine Chaika 132 already has a separate reverse lever, convenient device for winding the lower thread and other appearance. Otherwise, it is not much different from the Chaika-2 sewing machine, since it also does not have figured stitches, except for zigzag.
Quite a good model among the varieties of Chaika-type sewing machines.
Brands of old sewing machines – Csepel
Csepel is a Hungarian manufacturer of sewing machines.
This model Csepel - 30 is similar to the straight-stitch machine from the PMZ plant. An unremarkable ordinary vintage model.
Jaguar sewing machine
Mini Jaguar is a fairly common model of sewing machine that performs zigzag stitching. They appeared in our country in the early 90s and almost all of them have a lot of wear and tear.
This machine model has a lot of shortcomings. A miniature electric drive, a rather fragile pedal, and most importantly, many components and gears are made of plastic. Difficult to repair and configure.
Adolf Knoch sewing machine
The Knoch sewing machine was produced in Germany. German engineers are considered the founders of the design of sewing machines. Therefore, and for a number of other reasons, German sewing machines are considered reliable and of high quality.
This model of Knoch sewing machine only performs one stitch. Despite the fact that she has more modern look And modern device winding thread on a bobbin, it is quite simple and not very suitable for sewing modern knitted fabrics. The price of such a machine in perfect condition, fully equipped and operational, ranges from 1500-2000 rubles.
Brands of old sewing machines - Kohler
Another version of the German sewing machine. In the old days, such equipment cost the same as a car now, but in our time such old, morally and physically obsolete specimens can only be of interest to a schoolgirl doing homework assignments for labor lessons.
Kohler Zick-Zack Sewing Machine
This model from Kohler already bears the name Zick-Zack, since it is capable of performing not only a zigzag stitch, but also a number of other figured stitches.
Enough interesting model sewing machine Not only does it handle a variety of stitches, it also has a number of unique thread tension and needle position (offset) settings.
Even foot models of Kohler Zick-Zack sewing machines have a built-in light.
In good working condition, the price of such a machine can reach 3 thousand rubles, but no more. Any old sewing machine, even in perfect condition, cannot be expensive. Morally and physically, they are so outdated that they may be of interest to people who are starting to learn to sew or who are very strapped for money. Give it to those in need, and your kindness will be returned to you with interest.
The Lada sewing machine is very good machine. And this is due to the fact that it was produced only for export. Name Lada symbol series of sewing machines Chaika, produced for sale abroad.
Despite the fact that this particular model is quite old, it performs a zigzag stitch, has a built-in lamp and a number of other advantages.
Brands of old Polish sewing machines – Lucznik
Lucznik or Archer is a brand of sewing machines produced in Poland. If you are offered to buy such a machine for 1500 - 2000 rubles, you can safely buy it. It performs a zigzag stitch and a series of decorative stitches. It is possible to include two needle positions relative to the center (left, right). This is necessary when adjusting the zipper. Very convenient removable table, etc.
Sewing machine Malva made in USSR
Mallow - complete analogue Seagull sewing machine. Performs two stitches - a straight stitch and a zigzag stitch.
Brands of old sewing machines - Minerva
Minerva is a brand of sewing machines produced in Czechoslovakia. Reliable quality machines. This machine model (photo) is similar in capabilities and design to straight-stitch sewing machines Podolsk and Singer.
Sewing machine Naumann (Germany)
The Naumann sewing machine was produced in Germany. High-quality stitching, reliable and durable machine. This model of Naumann sewing machine performs only one straight stitch.
Italian sewing machine Necchi
Necchi - Italian company, which has been producing sewing machines since 1924. This model of sewing machine from Necchi (photo) performs two types of stitches: straight and zigzag. Very interesting, original design, but in case of breakdown it is almost impossible to find spare parts.
Radom is a brand of Polish sewing machines.
This model of the Radom sewing machine is similar in its capabilities and design to the Chaika 2 sewing machine. But the build quality and reliability of the parts is superior to the Chaika, which makes the Radom machine more reliable and durable.
This Radom model also performs a zigzag stitch, but its design is very outdated.
Veritas Rubina made in GDR
The Veritas Rubina sewing machine is a very good machine in all respects. It has a modern look, electric drive, light. Lightweight plastic The case makes it easy to carry. Performs many stitches, including buttonhole sewing. There are many replaceable feet and a convenient reverse lever (tack). High-quality stitching without gaps
The only drawback is that the country of the GDR, which produced Veritas Rubina, has long since disappeared, and spare parts for it will be very difficult to find.
Models of old sewing machines - Singer
Of all the models of used sewing machines sold in our country, we can especially highlight the Singer sewing machines produced in the early 90s. Reliable, high-quality machines. All parts are made of metal, as evidenced by its weight. But there are also disadvantages. However, if the machine is fully equipped with presser feet and ideally sews any fabric, then you don’t need to know about them, especially if the price of the machine does not exceed a couple of thousand rubles.
Models of Finnish old sewing machines - Tikka
Tikka sewing machine - Tikka was released in Finland. The quality of this sewing machine model is impeccable, as is its beautiful appearance. This model of Tikka sewing machine only performs one straight stitch.
Models of old sewing machines – Tula
Original Tula full zigzag sewing machine. There are many interesting original design solutions, but there are also disadvantages. If you have a choice between Tula and Chaika, then it is better to buy Chaika. The price for both used cars (Tula, Chaika) is the same, no more than 2.5 thousand rubles.
Sewing machine Union made in USSR
The Union sewing machine is similar in appearance and design to the Podolsk sewing machine. Its only difference is that the Union series of sewing machines was intended for sale abroad.
The best sewing machine - Veritas
If you choose among old models of household sewing machines best brand, then we can safely call the company Veritas. Why Veritas can be found in other articles on our site. In this article we will only add that you can pay 3 thousand rubles for a Veritas sewing machine in good condition (even such an outdated model).
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The sewing hook of such a machine rotates in a circle, which is rare even on modern expensive machines.
And for such a Veritas model in perfect condition, as in this photo, you can pay five thousand rubles.
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How to make a table from an old Singer sewing machine
Many people know how Singer sewing machines appeared. What happens if the machine breaks down or you have more new model? You can sell it or give it to friends. But quite often they simply forget about it, and it continues to gather dust in the corner. Many are taken to the garage, to the country house or to scrap metal collection points. And here the story of the legendary cars can end.
But, the legacy of Isaac Merritt Singer, in Lately enjoys enormous success, and as a rare item arouses great interest among people with creative approach: both from specialists and just amateurs. Because there are quite a lot of ideas for using already unnecessary machine legs. 
And every time you can find something new and original. So don’t rush to get rid of the “junk”; you can always throw it away, but then finding a similar machine will be more difficult.
The sewing machine has a cast iron frame, and the machine is directly attached to it. The openwork cast iron frame is elegant and attractive in appearance. It can fit perfectly into the interior, creating the coziness and harmony of the last century in the house. 
So if you still have a machine like this, you are very lucky.
How to make a table from an old Singer sewing machine
A little time and imagination and your home will have a new and interesting thing. What it could be is up to you to choose. You can make a computer or dining table, a dressing table for the bedroom or a flower stand for the balcony. 
Before you start creating your masterpiece, the legs of the sewing machine need to be prepared. After all, over many years of using it for its intended purpose, particles of dust, dirt and machine oil have accumulated on it. Therefore, before starting work, the bed must be thoroughly washed.
The legs can be painted any color you like. It is better to use anti-rust paint, because over the long years of their life they could have lost their original appearance. 
Dining table made from an old Singer sewing machine
You can make a wonderful dining table from a cast iron frame. We prepare and paint the legs, choosing the paint color to suit your taste. The tabletop can be round, rectangular or square. 
In an apartment or in a country house, such a table will definitely gather the whole family over a cup of tea. 
Computer desk
Dressing table in the bedroom
And what a wonderful vintage dressing table for the bedroom you can make from the same unnecessary legs from a sewing machine. It is better to choose calmer colors; light beige will look great. 
And in small drawers you can store cosmetics and other small items.
Vanity table
Table-stand for flowers on the balcony
If you love indoor flowers and you have a lot of them, you can make an interesting stand for them. A table like this with plants will look very nice. You can put it both on the balcony and in the room. 
The tabletop can be decorated with mosaics. And if you have the ability to draw, decorate it with an interesting pattern. Glass table tops will look no less original than those made from wood. Sometimes during work your own problems may appear. interesting ideas, how else to decorate the future table. The main thing is to let your imagination express itself in full force. 
Here, of course, you cannot do without male help, so you can ask your husband or father. Men will be happy to take part in the creative process, and maybe even suggest a couple of interesting ideas.
Home theater stand
For example, how to make a stand for a home theater. And to do this, you need to separate the side legs from the frame, remove the wheel and pedal and install shelves instead. You will get this unusual bookcase. 
These are just a few examples of how you can use the legs from an old Singer machine as a base for beautiful table. And the pedal and wheel will always attract the attention of children and can captivate them for a long time.
This is how you can give very easily new life old things.
This is also interesting
Painting a sewing machine near Zhostovo
One day, an antique Singer sewing machine, in almost working condition, “floated” into my raking hands.
Original ideas for using an old sewing machine in interior decor
The functionality of the sewing machine was restored to 95% by me, after about three days of persistent tinkering with the mechanical part, after which it began to sew perfectly. The only thing I wasn’t happy with was its appearance: the stand was dry and wobbly on all its tenon joints, the paint on the body was chipped and worn off in many places, chrome parts scratched.
This is what the Singer sewing machine looked like before my creative intervention (the mechanics were removed). Throughout the body there is a certain angular monogram ornament of the Art Nouveau style. In general, the ornament is built in “Ra-symbolism”: the sun, the sphinx, lotuses, wings - stylized in the Egyptian style.
I thought about it for a little while, about a month or two, and decided to give my Singer a look worthy of its status.
Preparation for painting was difficult and lengthy. I immediately gave the stand to carpenters I knew, who immediately broke it down, sanded it efficiently and reassembled it. It turned out that the stand was made of mahogany, nothing else. I planned to simply paint the stand in a more dark color, tint with stain, however, when I covered the wood with one layer of varnish, I realized that the color was already perfect without tinting.
The machine itself took a long time to scrape down to bare metal. All old paint it had to be removed along with the soil. Several types of sandpaper, knives and an awl were used for the most microscopic parts and holes.
When the metal was completely free of paint, I wiped it with acetone and applied two coats of automotive acrylic primer from a can. Each layer of soil was lightly sanded very carefully with fine sandpaper. In the next photo, the body of the machine and all its other spare parts are already covered with soil. In order not to splatter the chrome and other parts that do not require painting, I sealed them partly with masking tape and partly with electrical tape.
It is best to paint on metal, even over a primer. oil paints, and not on turpentine, but on a tee: oil, turpentine, varnish. Stylistically, the traditional Zhostovo painting on trays, where lush buds of a flower bouquet seem to emerge from a dark background, was most suitable for the surface and character of the product.
The first attempt at painting was unsuccessful. The next photo shows the original underpainting, which was washed off the next day because it was not what I wanted.
But this is what you need.
And almost the same floral ornament on a stand, but with some differences.
Gilding has already been added to the painting on the stand. Zhostovo, although it uses gold in painting, is not in the quantities that I used. By the way, my gold is gold powder mixed with acrylic varnish. Let's add gold decorations to the ornament on the body.
Close-up:
After the painting had completely dried, the car was covered with three layers of automotive acrylic varnish of the same series as the primer. Each layer of varnish, except the last one, was carefully cleaned with zero sandpaper(“null”) in the presence of water (wet sandpaper).
The stand is coated with PF varnish in the standard way for wood.
The photos show a brand new assembled Singer. It's like it came off an assembly line this morning.
Well, that's all. My Singer sewing machine is painted in an imitation of the Zhostovo style. The program is at most 100 percent completed. The result, to be honest, exceeded my expectations.
What is further fate sewing machine?
I don’t know yet, but most likely I will sell it.
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Hello, dear readers! Probably everyone remembers the old foot-operated sewing machines around the world. famous brand“Singer”, at that time, such a machine was particularly popular with seamstresses, thanks to its bed with a footrest, which made it possible to significantly save on electricity, and was also famous for its ability to flawlessly stitch even the thickest materials. But time does not stand still, and years later the old foot-operated machine was replaced with a modern electric one. Some simply disposed of the foot-operated machines, others took them apart and stored them in the attic, and still others, the most resourceful, used them in everyday life. Well, what can be made from an old sewing machine will be discussed in this review.
1. Kitchen cooking tables and dining tables made from a Singer sewing machine.
An excellent solution for the home is a kitchen dining table with a chic wrought-iron base. The tabletop can be made of solid wood, as well as transparent or frosted glass. As for the base itself, you can simultaneously use two beds from identical sewing machines or separate one forged base, move the resulting parts closer to the edges of the tabletop, and between them fasten a crossbar made of strong reinforcement, which will also serve as a footrest.
2. Dressing tables from an old sewing machine.
For dressing table you can leave the entire base, i.e. not only the metal part, but also a wooden tabletop with side drawers and a hinged lid. To make the table look neater, all parts of the frame must be sanded and repainted. suitable color. And in the compartment with the hinged lid (where the sewing machine used to be hidden) place a fabric-lined plywood box, and attach a mirror to the lid itself from the inside.
3. Desk.
In order not to spend too much money on buying a new desktop, you just need to make a tabletop from wood and attach it to the base from an old typewriter. The end result is gorgeous workplace with an excellent forged base, at such a table you want to work twice as hard.
4. Table in the gazebo.
Great idea For garden area rest, such a table will significantly transform the entire gazebo as a whole, and if you also make a similar bench for it, as well as a barbecue, it will be difficult to take your eyes off. The table looks expensive and solid at the same time.
5. Table for small items.
In some houses, there are tables in the hallway or hallway for small items (keys, cell phones, flower pots, photo frames), so why not replace the boring, monotonous table with a more elegant one with an interesting metal base. Moreover, its implementation does not require special expenses, provided that you have an old foot typewriter. You need to decide on a tabletop (wood or glass), clean and paint the base, and connect the base to the tabletop.
6. Brazier from the base of a foot-operated machine.
A great idea for those who like to barbecue, and most importantly - the gorgeous base is already ready, all that remains is to order from a carpenter the cutting of iron for the top frying drawer, then weld all the parts welding machine, sand and paint, wait for the paint to dry and go barbecue.
7. A bench made from sewing machine legs.
Perfect solution– creating a base for a garden bench or chair from old sewing legs. The planks can be ordered from a carpenter, then all the parts are connected, and also painted or varnished.
8. Flowerbed from an old sewing machine.
Such a flowerbed is easy to care for; you don’t need to bend over to thin out the plants or remove all the weeds, and it’s convenient to water.
9. Washbasin made from a sewing machine frame.
Another fresh solution– washbasin on the bed of a sewing machine. A bowl-shaped sink installed on top looks especially beautiful. wooden tabletop. The result is a set with modern overtones and a vintage twist; such contrasting items are now very popular.
10. Jewelry cabinet.
A ready-made cabinet with various compartments and mirrors on the doors is attached to the base.
11. Stand for bedspreads.
At night, the bedspreads removed from the bed can be carefully hung on a special rack; such a thing will be especially relevant in a children's room with several beds, so the kids will be accustomed to order. On the base of the machine, a box with screwed beams is installed, on which laundry or bedspreads are subsequently hung.
How to make a table from the base of a foot-operated machine.
First you need to prepare the countertop; you can order it from a carpenter or, if you have the skill, prepare it yourself. By the way, you can also order a tabletop from furniture manufacturing companies; you name the dimensions, choose a shade, and they will make you a wonderful tabletop.
Next, if necessary, you should sand the legs and paint them in the desired color; after the paint has dried, you can begin assembling all the parts, namely the base and tabletop. Screw it on metal legs to a wooden tabletop with screws. That's it, the great table is ready!
DIY grill:
As you can see, it turns out that there are a lot of ideas of what can be made from a foot-operated sewing machine, you just need to present the idea correctly, and then the result will be beyond praise. Friends, maybe you have your own interesting ideas about what can be made from an old sewing machine, write your reviews in the comments.
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This “love story” began a long time ago, a couple of years ago. Once upon a time I had a job, thanks to which I visited almost all the restaurants in the center of Kyiv. In one very cozy establishment, I noticed that all the tables were made from old Singer sewing machines. I really remember this idea. And it lay in my head until the next meeting with a similar table, which took place in the city of Drogobich (Lviv region). Walking around the city, I went into a clothing store self made. It was very nice there. A lot of different very stylish and unusual things and again... a table made from a sewing machine... Then this idea was already firmly stuck in my head, and besides, I infected my husband Kostya with it.
The search for the machine began, which, fortunately, did not last long. My great-aunt invited us to pick up her old sewing machine, which had been lying in her dacha for a long time. A lot of time passed before we transported this “treasure” from Vinnitsa to Kyiv, then another six months until we were ready to implement this idea. And we made the table itself in just 5 days and just fell in love with it!
How did we make it?
Step 1
We dismantled the table, threw out the completely outdated tabletop and other parts from the machine. True, they left a box (we put it in it). All parts were washed in the shower stall and cleaned of century-old deposits with a metal brush.
Step 2
Painting the legs. Kostya took everything metal parts into the garage and painted them, hanging them on a wire.
We painted it with wear-resistant 4 in 1 paint. The result was a very beautiful matte finish.
Step 3
Bought pine furniture board. Dimensions: 100 x 60 x 1.8 cm.
For painting, we chose “Pinotex Interior” transparent paint and tinted it purple-burgundy. This color fits right in with the color palette we decided on for the room. In addition, it is dark enough so as not to distract or irritate your eyes while working.
We decided to cover the tree with a roller, since it applies the paint more evenly than a brush and does not leave streaks or grooves behind.
We painted the tabletop three times. We waited 2-3 hours between coats, although this paint dries almost instantly. The peculiarity of “Pinotex Interior” is that it does not leave a greasy layer, but is completely absorbed into the wood, since it is water based. That is, the effect is similar to stain, but this paint, in addition to tinting, also protects the wood.
This is the velvety effect obtained after a three-layer coating. But we decided to cover the tabletop with acrylic varnish for reliability, since this table made from a sewing machine will be a full-fledged one computer desk, with which we will sometimes drink tea or coffee :) We were not sure that “Pinotex” would react favorably to spilled coffee. And the varnish will definitely hold up.
Step 4
Varnishing. Why did we choose acrylic varnish? Firstly, because there is a child in the house, and even if you cover the tabletop oil varnish in the garage, you will have to wait some time until the unpleasant toxic smell disappears. Acrylic varnish is absolutely non-toxic. Secondly, it dries quickly and you can start attaching the tabletop on the same day. Thirdly, this varnish can be applied in a very thin, invisible layer, which was to our advantage, because we still wanted to preserve the velvety quality.
During painting, the varnish has a white tint, but then this effect disappears and the layer becomes completely transparent.
Step 5
Marking the table for fastenings. We did it using masking tape, so as not to stain the paint layer with a pencil (or something worse :)). Everything was measured and the location of the legs was determined.
We installed the tabletop in the right place.
Ksenia actively helped :)
In the holes on the legs through which it was attached old table top, put marks. They will be clearly visible on the tape. Drill holes for furniture nuts according to the marks.
After the holes are ready, you need to drive furniture nuts into them.
You can also play with the nuts: scatter them throughout the apartment, and then collect them together as a family. This activity is suitable for taking a little break from the hard work of creating a table from a sewing machine :)
We attach the tabletop to the legs and the table is ready! This is what Kostino’s workplace looks like now. True, now we have to fight for the opportunity to sit at a computer desk, because we only have one graphics tablet, but we really want to draw on it :)))
A ficus also joined this love story and, in my opinion, it was very successful.
Now a modest Soviet chair awaits modifications. He will become a laconic addition to the male workplace. But that is another story…